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Title: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: Jono-60 on July 25, 2008, 20:54:06
Or maybe something like Milky where you draw a waveform.
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: 0xtob on July 26, 2008, 13:24:08
I've been thinking about including some synth capabilities, so this might come in a future version. I'm not talking about realtime synthesis though since this wouldn't work with XM. Maybe this would make a nice future "product" to compete with the Korg DS-10 :) Sample drawing will be in 0.5, pretty sure!
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: ClrFog on July 26, 2008, 15:22:59
Maybe this would make a nice future "product" to compete with the Korg DS-10 :)

Yes yes yes!!   :D
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: DeaQuz on July 27, 2008, 04:40:34
Sample drawing will be in 0.5, pretty sure!

This would be great!
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: usrfriendly on July 27, 2008, 10:29:29
how about waveform generators?
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: 0xtob on July 27, 2008, 11:58:16
Maybe. I'm working on a general effects framework that might also be used for waveform generation. If it works out like I imagine it, it'll be a really cool feature unprecedented in any tracker.
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: Jono-60 on July 28, 2008, 00:48:33
Thats awesome news!

Well I have managed to try DS-10 and its an awesome bit of software, but already I can see it being limiting.  Having a synth in it is probaby the best thing, but its gonna be let down by its sequencing with only a maximum of 16 patterns.  More suited for simple dance music.  I like to create my melodic electropop.

Nitro definitely has more potential!
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: infradead on July 29, 2008, 07:45:47
Maybe. I'm working on a general effects framework that might also be used for waveform generation. If it works out like I imagine it, it'll be a really cool feature unprecedented in any tracker.

whoa..  exciting..

yeah while the ds-10 is a lot of fun..  so far i've found myself making a lot of acid techno :D
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: DeaQuz on July 31, 2008, 10:31:27
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Nitro definitely has more potential!

I agree on dis one.

I also try'd DS10. The thing i did'nt like (or just havent figured out yet) is that you can't save the songs in a way so you can bring it to your computer, you have to record it through a wire. That increases the quality of your songs.

Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: Shagbat on August 17, 2008, 19:04:03
I've been thinking about including some synth capabilities, so this might come in a future version. I'm not talking about realtime synthesis though since this wouldn't work with XM. Maybe this would make a nice future "product" to compete with the Korg DS-10 :) Sample drawing will be in 0.5, pretty sure!

Thanks for drawing my attention to the DS-10, I would sure like to get my hands on that.

Someone at Korg and Nintendo must have noticed how well Nitrotracker has been going down for this to happen i'm sure!

Bet you could do better than DS-10 though eh Tob?  :)

Cheers

Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: cutout on August 19, 2008, 23:00:04
they're quite different beasts though aren't they? I am loving DS 10 for it's hands on synthesis and instant wonky fun ...but nitrotracker, especially with these new features, is becoming a serious compositional tool with increasing 'hands on' fun elements.
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: Shagbat on August 20, 2008, 18:45:59
Maybe this would make a nice future "product" to compete with the Korg DS-10 :)

I can't stop thinking about this and have come up with a few ideas

I think if you were to make a separate product capable of realtime synthesis it may be best to go for FM synthesis as it would seem to be easier to get a decent amount of poly out of the cpu's compared to virtual analog synthesis. I'm not a coder but I noticed that jEnesisDS which is a megadrive/genesis emulator has an emulation of the megadrives sound chip which is a 4op 6 channel FM synth, so it seems well within the realms of possiblity.

Also you could recycle Nitrotracker sequencer as a tracker would be the best way the maximise the usefulness of what ever polyphony is available. The instruments could be replaced with sets of parameters for the synth and then triggered by the sequencer.

I'd personally choose more notes of FM poly over limited analog poly any day. It would be nice to be going in a different direction to DS-10 too.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: 0xtob on October 24, 2008, 13:41:16
Interesting. I'll look into that. This hypothetic new "product" should be one synth with as few knobs/settings as possible, but with a high variability in sounds you can create with it. The DS-10 is an awesome example of that, but creating the sound they want is still difficult for people who are not into vintage synths. Also I don't want to make a retro vintage synth :) I like innovative synth interfaces like Ableton's operator (http://www.ableton.com/operator).

Back on topic though: Do you have any resources for FM synth? And what do you mean by "poly"? Is that polyphony, as in the number of channels that can play simultaneously?
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: Shagbat on December 10, 2008, 15:54:29
Sorry for the late reply, I didn't realize you'd replied.

yes I mean polyphonic by 'poly'.

A ds version of something like operator would be heaven (operator is an FM synth as is megarive chip by the way), especially if this instrument could be implemented in the same ultra flexible way that trackers are able to use there channels in the most flexible way possible (ie multitimbrally). There is actually a megadrive sound chip compatible tracker that someone wrote, I suppose it would be helpful. its called 'TFM Music Maker'. I think this is the authors website http://shiru.untergrund.net/software.htm

Perhaps you code also take a sneaky peak at the code that creates the sound in the megadrive emulator, or does it have to be open source to do that? Here's a link http://www.neoflash.com/forum/index.php/topic,4571.0.html

I'm not sure what you mean by resources for FM synth but I hope this helps.

If you are worried about the difficulty in people being able to create their own synth sounds with little or no synth programming experience then perhaps it would be best to include a large user created patch (synth sound) library. You could even give the user access to a patch library online via the ds wifi. seeing as any synth sound can be stored in a bunch of parameters which could be contained in just a few bytes then it should be possible. I wouldn't mind contributing!

As per usual I seem to be getting way too excited, but these ideas are worth noting I suppose.

By the way, the wife is getting my DS-10 for xmas so that'll be nice

Cheers.
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: moncrey on December 12, 2008, 19:23:34
I really hope this comes to fruition. This is already my favorite composition tool, synthesis would surely take it over the edge.

[this is me dreaming, but] I'd love to see nitrotracker gain an fx column for changing synth params (or volume, starting point, etc)!
Title: Re: Will there be a synth in future versions?
Post by: The Onyxmizer on December 29, 2008, 00:48:27
as long as you can make more complex harmonies and rythems, I'll buy the DS-10 compeditor.

(as far as I know you can only have 2 voices at a time in DS-10 right?)