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Music Production => MilkyTracker => Tracking => MilkyTracker Support => Topic started by: grimmeld on August 26, 2008, 18:07:19
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Px Set note panning position
Syntax: P
x = speed
Example: C-4 ·1 P4 ···
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Explanation:
This is the volume column equivalent of 8xx panning, only with 1 digit resolution. P8 corresponds to 888, P9 to 899 and so on…
Tips:
3xx and Mx share effect memory, so it's possible to initialize a portamento with a more precise 3xx value and sustain it with M0 freeing the effect column for arpeggios, note delays, tremolo or whatever.
is it just me or is the "Tips" part copy pasted from "Mx Portamento to note"
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I think it was me who forgot to delete that. Fixed now.
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On the following link, i still see the same:
http://www.milkytracker.net/docs/MilkyTracker.html
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That would be the browser cache.
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Yup :)
Allright but this brings me to the next question: does the note panning in the volume column continue where the note panning in the effects column started so you can use note panning together with other effects on 1 key?
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Yeah, it does. But you should note that whenever you insert a new note WITH an instrument number, the number resets things like volume and panning to the settings defined in the instrument editor.
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yeah okay but thats the same with every other effect xept for 3xx and those that look like it right?
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Instrument number always resets the instrument, that's what I was trying to say I think. Even with 3xx and Mx, which only affect the sample.
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Not entirely true, if u look on the following image, you can see the instruments 1 and 5 used, 1 being a normal tone, 5 being a snare sample. I hear only the normal tone with that sequence. It's even like this: it doesn't matter whether or not i fill in 1's or 5's at places where at that pic 5's are put, I still wouldn't hear a snare.
http://i38.tinypic.com/53pf6w.jpg
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Ok this thread should have ended with
Yeah, it does.
because this is getting really messy. Obviously I misunderstood something you wrote and as a result we're not talking about the same thing anymore. I'm not arguing with what you're saying in your latest post.
I wasn't talking about switching instruments while doing a portamento because in .XM it's impossible to change the sample on the fly. And because in .XM a sample can only have one set of instrument settings, it doesn't matter which number is entered. The settings will always be reset to the sample's own initial values.
This is taking things a lot deeper than I did with my previous post where I only wanted to say that while portmento-to-note effects prevent a sample from restarting, they don't prevent an instrument number from resetting the instrument settings.
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oh okay i thought the instrument settings resetting was the same thing as a sample reload. Learned something more then :P
So if i get this right, the instrument settings within the effects column like tremolo or vibrato are reset when there's an instrument number.
But effects occurring already, cause the sample not to be able to be switched with another sample while effects try to continue on the "new sample". In which case the instrument settings would still be reset right?
lol i hope i got this right xD
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So if i get this right, the instrument settings within the effects column like tremolo or vibrato are reset when there's an instrument number.
Instrument settings don't appear in any column, they are values set in the instrument editor. They dictate the default volume, panning, finetuning and relative note of a sample. They are essentially sample settings but they are called instrument settings because they are located in the instrument editor. An instrument can have 16 samples mapped across the 8 octave range. Each sample can have unique instrument settings and these settings can be overridden and modified over time with effect commands on the pattern.
So for example, if you play a note with a sample that has panning set to 40 (halfway between the left and center) and after that you use effect commands to pan the note towards right, the second you play another note with the instrument number in place, the panning will be at 40 again. But if you left the number out (and providing the volume hasn't faded out), the new note would in the same panning position where your effect commands left it. This is what I mean with instrument numbers resetting the instrument settings.
The rest of the instrument settings are ones that actually operate on the instrument level, i.e. they are shared between all samples of an instrument. These are the volume and panning envelopes, the fadeout value and the auto-vibrato settings.
There is no auto-tremolo but if an instrument is auto-vibrating with a sweep (i.e. vibrato depth increases over time), an instrument number resets the sweep and it will repeat like when the note was originally triggered.
But effects occurring already, cause the sample not to be able to be switched with another sample while effects try to continue on the "new sample". In which case the instrument settings would still be reset right?
It's simply a limitation of Fasttracker II, that switching an instrument number on a playing note doesn't change the instrument or sample. It just acts as if the new number was the same as the last one and what happens is the equivalent of playing a new note without restarting the sample. Now, in ProTracker 2.x mode you can do interesting things but man, I'm not going into that now.
It's good that you ask questions. It's just a little exhausting to answer them as I'm trying to figure out the ideas you are presenting and where to intercept that train of thought. What I'm trying to do now is stop wasting energy on that and lay down facts and hope it'll make sense to you. Eventually, at least. ;)
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Okay first of all, thanks for the effort xD. I do understand how it works a lot better now :).
I guess i already had a set perspective of how things worked and made quite a few wrong assumptions. Ow well it's not like "back to the drawing board" or something.
So with this cleared up, I guess I am going back to the drawing board and make a new song ;D
THNX!
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Move this thread out of the bug reports section, it's getting off topic :P