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Music Production => MilkyTracker => Tracking => MilkyTracker Support => Topic started by: luke on September 18, 2009, 02:35:24

Title: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: luke on September 18, 2009, 02:35:24: OK, OK, you guys probably knew about this about 10 years ago already but I thought I might share cos I just found this out today and was well excited about it :o.

In the sample editor screen I had done:

file->new->lenghth64->generators->squarewave->4 cycles.

this was all in 8bit

so I had a normal square wave, length 64, with four cycles in 8bit.....THEN, I decided to change to 16bit, so i pressed the little button....it said "do you want to covert sample data?", I said NO WAY!!!

after this there was still the normal square wave shape with just a wierd little bit that had changed...i thought...nah....so I changed it back to 8bit...it said "do you want to convert sample data", I said NO!!!

suddenly, my square wave had become some extra cool wave that I did not know milkytracker was capable of generating...pluss it sounds REALLY REALLY COOL....I think the process can be repeated to further mess with the wave...ITS CRAZY!!!!! Im happy about it....new waves now possible, the way it messes up the waves is really even...its GRRRRREEEAAAT!!!!!

did anyone know about this?

why does this happen?

(sorry for long post, a little too excited perhaps ...hah!)
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: luke on September 18, 2009, 15:47:50: So did you guys know about this already?

got any idea why that happens, its really useful, makes realy good chip sounds.
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: raina on September 18, 2009, 18:46:03: My MilkyTracker crashes when I follow your instructions and click the 16-bit radiobutton. :P
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: luke on September 18, 2009, 19:42:30: wierd, i get a square wave but with loads of smaller triangle waveforms within the peaks of the square wave...
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: raina on September 18, 2009, 22:30:47: Your observations are the ones that should be noted. Who knows what version I'm running ;)
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: Saga Musix on September 20, 2009, 16:31:21: Well, seems pretty normal to me. If you convert from 16-bit to 8-bit without converting the sample data itself, the tracker will interpret your 16-bit data as 8-bit data, which is obviously wrong and will bring up strange results. I don't know if that's what Milky does since I don't use it, but it would sounds logical to me.
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: 8ch on September 27, 2009, 17:42:12: yep, this worked well in ft2. take a 16bit sample, convert it to 8bit (say YES), then back to 16bit (say NO), then back to 8bit (say YES) etc... this will reduce your sample size dramatically. if your notes happen to get out of range (> b7), this method, in combination with transpose (either change the base note of your instrument or traditionally in the pattern), can be used to get them back in range..
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: Ev on October 01, 2009, 02:45:26: I think he's referring to this (I just tried it).

http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4052/79148762.png

(http://img269.imageshack.us/img269/4052/79148762.png) (http://img269.imageshack.us/i/79148762.png/)
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: 8ch on October 05, 2009, 17:01:22: ..just discovered that if you do the "conversion trick" over and over again and your sample becomes too tiny it'll just freezes milky (endless hourglass). -on debian with j.a.c.k.- use the resampler instead =P
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: luke on October 08, 2009, 04:14:00: yeah, the picture from Ev is exactly it...
Title: Re: NEW WAVEFORM TRICK DISCOVERED?????
Post by: LokiClock on October 16, 2009, 07:23:41: I've done this before when programming my sounds, but I don't remember how. I'll let you know if I get unlazy and bother to figure it out.