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Title: duplicate modules
Post by: m0d on September 11, 2007, 10:02:34
Found some modules that are identical?

List their module IDs and help identify which one is the most suitable to remain, in your post.



FAQ:

Q: If it's a duplicate do the hits totals get added?

A: Yes, so do:


Also, the archive date of the oldest now prevails (automatically)

Please note that dupe reports are deleted from this thread when they have been dealt with.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: raina on December 29, 2014, 12:50:46
These
http://modarchive.org/module.php?47983
http://modarchive.org/module.php?174452

are smaller versions of
http://modarchive.org/module.php?32380

Differences beyond the small ones in sample text? Which one(s) should prevail?

Anyway, all of them and this one
http://modarchive.org/module.php?39874

should be assigned to Zodiak's profile.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on December 29, 2014, 20:01:54
Modules have been merged and assigned. Which module text prevails is acutally not a question because we always show the actual file content, i.e. since the smaller versions have been deleted, their text is now gone too.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: raina on December 29, 2014, 21:34:27
Yeah, I meant which file or files should stay. I couldn't say myself.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: LynXX on January 28, 2016, 00:04:07
Hi,

Those 3 are identical I believe:
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?52928
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?52727
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?55521

I'm not sure which one should be the canonical version though...
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on January 28, 2016, 00:13:34
Nice find, plinker.mod is definitely not the original as it contains a trimmed sample, so it's one of the other two. The only difference I can spot is a single letter in the sample names, so it probably doesn't make much of a difference which one is kept.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: LynXX on January 28, 2016, 23:47:42
Another 2 identical:
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?39533
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?39944

I'd keep the one named "CBR.MOD" because that's how I came to know this module 20+ years ago ;) but I don't really mind.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Ceekayed on January 29, 2016, 10:49:46
Just noticed:

http://modarchive.org/module.php?154989
http://modarchive.org/module.php?58596

The older one is the original, although I can't spot any differences apart from very minor sample text edits; wonder why anyone would've done that.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on January 29, 2016, 13:26:09
Merged!
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on March 05, 2016, 15:57:59
I found those two:
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=52354 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=52354)
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407)

I also found a copy of this mod (with yet another checksum) here: http://hxc2001.free.fr/modules/mods/random_voice-monday.rar (http://hxc2001.free.fr/modules/mods/random_voice-monday.rar), but I am unable to say which is the original.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on March 08, 2016, 21:10:39
Merged, thanks!
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Peppi on April 01, 2016, 12:43:10
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=114733
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36208

Of which the first is listed under the actual author Richard Joseph...
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 01, 2016, 21:40:12
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Peppi on April 06, 2016, 11:33:42
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41528
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=108044
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41529

Each of these three are the same Elekfunk module by Moby. Top one is registered under the actual artist.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Peppi on April 06, 2016, 11:40:29
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40293
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40262

Both the legendary Cyberride/Cyberrace module. Top one is listed under the actual artist Jester...
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Peppi on April 06, 2016, 11:46:03
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=115244
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=43914
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=43926

All the same module used as theme music for the game Gods. Top one credits the actual author Richard Joseph.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 07, 2016, 02:02:32
All merged.
Top one is registered under the actual artist.
You don't need to specificy this every time, since it is not the criterion which is used for merging anyway, since it does in no way indicate that it might be the original file that we'd like to keep. On the contrary, in the first of your three posts the module registered to the actual artist actually contained some additional sample text added by a BBS, so it's definitely no the version that should be kept.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Peppi on April 07, 2016, 23:34:32
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so it's definitely no the version that should be kept

Noted... It's sometimes hard to tell which file is the original. As I'm new on this forum, you may want to point me to some guidelines if there are any.

Apart from that, I always appreciate credits for the author of a piece...
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 08, 2016, 02:26:13
There aren't any guidelines, I decide which file should remain on a case-by-case basis.

Quote
Apart from that, I always appreciate credits for the author of a piece...
These don't get lost when merging files. See also the first post of this thread.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on April 27, 2016, 19:01:54
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117561 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117561)
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118964 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118964)

The second link lacks the "e" of "edvin" in the first instrument name.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 28, 2016, 15:09:06
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: DrMcCoy on June 02, 2016, 05:51:27
Skaven252's Realm of Chaos exists three times:
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36192
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=70451
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=56295

The last one is even misattributed to Purple Motion.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on June 02, 2016, 23:19:17
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on June 03, 2016, 21:05:57
These two seems to be the same:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942)

The first one is weirdly panned, correct me if I'm wrong but I have read somewhere that people did this due to technical limitations on the Amiga. And the second would have been corrected?
However the instrument text says "zalza1998chiplover" for the first one and the other has "zalza 96" as the author, so the first one is actually anterior? ???

By the way, given a xm file panned this way, how can I make it mono? Using Milkytracker I tried looking for the effect 8 and for panning settings in the instrument view but I didn't find anything.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on June 04, 2016, 21:29:54
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The first one is weirdly panned, correct me if I'm wrong but I have read somewhere that people did this due to technical limitations on the Amiga.
People did not "do this" (intentionally). It is simply not technically possible to do otherwise in the Amiga MOD format...
Quote
And the second would have been corrected?
...and on the other hand, the XM format does not have channel panning but only sample panning, hence everything is just panned to center by default unless you set a different default sample panning for each sample.

I will probably just ask Zalza which file is the original one.

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By the way, given a xm file panned this way, how can I make it mono? Using Milkytracker I tried looking for the effect 8 and for panning settings in the instrument view but I didn't find anything.
If you mean MOD file rather than XM, you probably can't as long as Milky plays it in Amiga ProTracker mode.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on June 04, 2016, 21:57:03
Quote
People did not "do this" (intentionally). It is simply not technically possible to do otherwise in the Amiga MOD format...
Oh alright, thanks for the info.

Quote
...and on the other hand, the XM format does not have channel panning but only sample panning, hence everything is just panned to center by default unless you set a different default sample panning for each sample.
Do you mean sample panning or instrument panning?

Quote
If you mean MOD file rather than XM, you probably can't as long as Milky plays it in Amiga ProTracker mode.
Oh yeah sorry, that happens for MOD files only indeed. I was able to find the option and listening to them is much more enjoyable now!
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on June 04, 2016, 23:06:59
Quote
Do you mean sample panning or instrument panning?
I refer to it as sample panning because it's a per-sample setting in XM. In IT you have both sample panning (a property of the sample) and instrument panning (a property of the entire instrument).
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on June 04, 2016, 23:31:58
Quote
I refer to it as sample panning because it's a per-sample setting in XM.
Oh right, I was confused about this because in MilkyTracker (and from the screenshots I've seen FastTracker 2) you change the per-sample setting in the instrument panel, the sample you set this to is the one which is selected.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Ryrynz on August 25, 2016, 08:00:28
Same mods? Different sizes..

https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=171453
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117607
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=54405
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on August 25, 2016, 12:33:16
Thanks, all merged into what is most likely the original file.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: getkey on January 14, 2017, 23:12:30
So I asked Zalza (he is really nice!) about https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862) and https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942).

https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942) is the original, and the typo in the title is intended. ;-)
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on January 15, 2017, 14:19:26
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: cj_elec_tech on June 27, 2017, 14:44:00
found these:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=57287
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=106854

I think "sind_klf.mod" is the 'most-genuine' as the module name is the closest to what was originally released by the klf in 1993 (but I think both are identical?)
However, perhaps renaming the 'winning' file to
"Maelcum_-_Sindication_TM.mod"
is more in keeping with modarchive's requested file-naming format?
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on June 27, 2017, 21:44:48
Merged. For legacy modules, I generally prefer to keep the better-known legacy name as well.

PS: I saw that you recently uploaded a lot of old KLF stuff. I hope you're aware that AMF is just DMP's intermediate song format, i.e. not a tracker-specific format. If possible, it would be nice to have the original files (MOD/669/whatever) instead of AMF files, but I know this is not always possible.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: cj_elec_tech on June 28, 2017, 14:59:03
Thanks Saga Musix.

Re. AMF:
As far as I can tell the amf songs were originally released as amf?
These have been extracted from zips hosted at
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/kosmic/1993/
and extracted amfs appear to have the correct release date in their file properties.
Additionally, the FILE_ID.DIZ states .amf as the release format; i.e.
Quote
~snip  ASCII art~
       PRODUCTIONS PRESENT
                *
       BEAT iT UP  (.AMF)
  MOMO - African Style   
  CREATED by Sinbad [KLF]               
     Copyright (C) 1993
apparently this particular song was created "using good old Modedit."
So I assume the artist will be (just about?) the only person who may have the original format - if they still have the files burnt somewhere on something still readable after 24 years...   ;)
(sorry if this is off-topic)
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: cj_elec_tech on June 28, 2017, 15:20:51
Here are some more duplicates:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=169058 (it)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=58693 (mtm)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=69090 (s3m)
they all sound the same quality to me.
(if my info is right) the original release-format from Kosmic was mtm though.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on June 28, 2017, 18:53:25
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So I assume the artist will be (just about?) the only person who may have the original format - if they still have the files burnt somewhere on something still readable after 24 years...
Yeah, that's why I said that I'm aware it's not always possible. But more often than not, e.g. when already-released songs get reused in demos or diskmags, the original file can be found as well.

Quote
(if my info is right) the original release-format from Kosmic was mtm though.
Given the release date, that seems like the most plausible format indeed.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: cj_elec_tech on July 03, 2017, 17:03:54
These appear to be duplicates?
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=85701
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=57501
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on July 04, 2017, 02:25:10
Merged, thanks for spotting!
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Phlubby on October 06, 2018, 19:36:32
Malta (https://modarchive.org/module.php?66985) is a dupe of Actual Reality (https://modarchive.org/module.php?87263). Credits to Axxy for finding.

See thread (https://modarchive.org/forums/index.php?topic=4230.0) for more info.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Yomaru_Kasuga on October 07, 2018, 07:59:41
How about this one is my favorite module is "page" by Dalezy of the unconsciousness:
That was originally on December 1997.

The original one is:
https://modarchive.org/module.php?67414

But that module was duplicated:
https://modarchive.org/module.php?165362
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Axxy on October 07, 2018, 11:39:24
How about this one is my favorite module is "page" by Dalezy of the unconsciousness:
That was originally on December 1997.

Lol, and I had a third version of the same mod but mine was saved in Madtracker... weird..
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on October 08, 2018, 23:29:36
Also merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: fuzion.mixer01 on October 30, 2018, 07:04:59
"can u feel it?" Dupe:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=134964

Original:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41051

Only change is "feal" to "feel" and the filename.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on October 31, 2018, 23:21:45
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Psirius on January 01, 2019, 21:42:29
Hello! I saw a duplicate. I don't know which is the difference. Not what I listened carefully. Dealing with the same thing (113.93 kb). Maybe it's just the title.
Keep an eye and look to remove one or the other.


Mindstorm.mod - ID.101.903 (Freshbrain)

Mindstrm.mod   - ID.51.860 (Not assigned to anyone)

Greetings. :P
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on January 02, 2019, 00:20:09
Merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Slender on March 17, 2019, 11:14:37
I believe I found a duplicate. xmasdaze.mod, module ID 62701, appears to be a duplicate of chrdayz2.mod, module ID 37022, the hashes are different but the modules seem to be otherwise identical. Both are by an anonymous author.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on March 17, 2019, 13:57:20
Yup, chrdayz2.mod contains an advertisment from Music Channel BBS in the sample texts so that one will have to go. Thanks for noticing!
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Slender on March 17, 2019, 18:37:16
Did the owner of the BBS modify module texts to advertise it? I've seen a few modules that claim to have been downloaded from there floating around.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on March 17, 2019, 19:57:59
Yes, typically those texts were not by the original artist, but of course that's not true in each and every case - for example the artist might advertise their "home" BBS through which they spread all their tunes. But with those Music Channel BBS texts you can be pretty sure they weren't added by the artist.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: speedsterharry on March 19, 2019, 20:31:45
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118442
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=56694
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=55442
Appear to be the same file

https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=116659
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=116921
Play the same apparently but are not the same length (filesize-wise)

Also, several instances of the great "Klisje paa Klisje"
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=39533
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=163708
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=124227

One of them is in a format that's not playable nowadays ? (AHX)


https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=66338
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=33803
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on March 20, 2019, 14:53:49
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One of them is in a format that's not playable nowadays ? (AHX)
It's a remix / conversion, not a dupe. AHX is a chip music format not playable with the online player but it can be played e.g. with XMPlay's AHX plugin.
The other two files you have linked do not appear to be the same tune. Maybe you copied a wrong link?

All other stuff has been merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: fuzion.mixer01 on April 08, 2019, 06:37:14
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=80168
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=74638
dupes of
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=58473
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 08, 2019, 19:36:59
Yup.. u got to merge the music! ;D
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: n3tman on April 25, 2019, 03:19:29
random voice - monday

1: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407

2: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=67552

Checksums are different, but number of bytes and internal text is the same.

No real differences, here's a waveform diff (only small 1px dots/lines can be seen): https://ptpimg.me/ow1ssv.png
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: n3tman on April 25, 2019, 13:04:20
dubmood & nadom - Chicago chiphop

1: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=42471

2: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=137212

#2 is a normalized version of #1 (louder sound)

If you normalize both tracks to -0.1db, differences are unnoticeable: https://ptpimg.me/uu90lo.png
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Saga Musix on April 26, 2019, 20:11:52
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No real differences, here's a waveform diff (only small 1px dots/lines can be seen):
Some bytes in the hi-hat sample of the second version were blanked, probably due to a transmission error. I removed that version.

One version of the dubmood track was saved in MadTracker, so I would assume the other one to be the original. Also merged.
Title: Re: duplicate modules
Post by: Uncertain on July 19, 2019, 23:30:27
Duplicate of dozey:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68004
found at:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=165295

First link doesn't have the "ripped" comment and is older.