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Website => Help & Support => Feedback & Suggestions => Topic started by: m0d on September 11, 2007, 10:02:34
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Found some modules that are identical?
List their module IDs and help identify which one is the most suitable to remain, in your post.
FAQ:
Q: If it's a duplicate do the hits totals get added?
A: Yes, so do:
- Comments
- Reviews
- Favourites
- Pseudonym Aliases
- Artist Ownership
- More...
Also, the archive date of the oldest now prevails (automatically)
Please note that dupe reports are deleted from this thread when they have been dealt with.
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These
http://modarchive.org/module.php?47983
http://modarchive.org/module.php?174452
are smaller versions of
http://modarchive.org/module.php?32380
Differences beyond the small ones in sample text? Which one(s) should prevail?
Anyway, all of them and this one
http://modarchive.org/module.php?39874
should be assigned to Zodiak's profile.
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Modules have been merged and assigned. Which module text prevails is acutally not a question because we always show the actual file content, i.e. since the smaller versions have been deleted, their text is now gone too.
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Yeah, I meant which file or files should stay. I couldn't say myself.
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Hi,
Those 3 are identical I believe:
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?52928
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?52727
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?55521
I'm not sure which one should be the canonical version though...
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Nice find, plinker.mod is definitely not the original as it contains a trimmed sample, so it's one of the other two. The only difference I can spot is a single letter in the sample names, so it probably doesn't make much of a difference which one is kept.
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Another 2 identical:
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?39533
* http://modarchive.org/module.php?39944
I'd keep the one named "CBR.MOD" because that's how I came to know this module 20+ years ago ;) but I don't really mind.
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Just noticed:
http://modarchive.org/module.php?154989
http://modarchive.org/module.php?58596
The older one is the original, although I can't spot any differences apart from very minor sample text edits; wonder why anyone would've done that.
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Merged!
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I found those two:
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=52354 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=52354)
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407)
I also found a copy of this mod (with yet another checksum) here: http://hxc2001.free.fr/modules/mods/random_voice-monday.rar (http://hxc2001.free.fr/modules/mods/random_voice-monday.rar), but I am unable to say which is the original.
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Merged, thanks!
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http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=114733
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36208
Of which the first is listed under the actual author Richard Joseph...
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Merged.
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http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41528
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=108044
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41529
Each of these three are the same Elekfunk module by Moby. Top one is registered under the actual artist.
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http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40293
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=40262
Both the legendary Cyberride/Cyberrace module. Top one is listed under the actual artist Jester...
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http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=115244
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=43914
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=43926
All the same module used as theme music for the game Gods. Top one credits the actual author Richard Joseph.
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All merged.
Top one is registered under the actual artist.
You don't need to specificy this every time, since it is not the criterion which is used for merging anyway, since it does in no way indicate that it might be the original file that we'd like to keep. On the contrary, in the first of your three posts the module registered to the actual artist actually contained some additional sample text added by a BBS, so it's definitely no the version that should be kept.
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so it's definitely no the version that should be kept
Noted... It's sometimes hard to tell which file is the original. As I'm new on this forum, you may want to point me to some guidelines if there are any.
Apart from that, I always appreciate credits for the author of a piece...
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There aren't any guidelines, I decide which file should remain on a case-by-case basis.
Apart from that, I always appreciate credits for the author of a piece...
These don't get lost when merging files. See also the first post of this thread.
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http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117561 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117561)
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118964 (http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118964)
The second link lacks the "e" of "edvin" in the first instrument name.
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Merged.
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Skaven252's Realm of Chaos exists three times:
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36192
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=70451
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=56295
The last one is even misattributed to Purple Motion.
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Merged.
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These two seems to be the same:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942)
The first one is weirdly panned, correct me if I'm wrong but I have read somewhere that people did this due to technical limitations on the Amiga. And the second would have been corrected?
However the instrument text says "zalza1998chiplover" for the first one and the other has "zalza 96" as the author, so the first one is actually anterior? ???
By the way, given a xm file panned this way, how can I make it mono? Using Milkytracker I tried looking for the effect 8 and for panning settings in the instrument view but I didn't find anything.
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The first one is weirdly panned, correct me if I'm wrong but I have read somewhere that people did this due to technical limitations on the Amiga.
People did not "do this" (intentionally). It is simply not technically possible to do otherwise in the Amiga MOD format...
And the second would have been corrected?
...and on the other hand, the XM format does not have channel panning but only sample panning, hence everything is just panned to center by default unless you set a different default sample panning for each sample.
I will probably just ask Zalza which file is the original one.
By the way, given a xm file panned this way, how can I make it mono? Using Milkytracker I tried looking for the effect 8 and for panning settings in the instrument view but I didn't find anything.
If you mean MOD file rather than XM, you probably can't as long as Milky plays it in Amiga ProTracker mode.
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People did not "do this" (intentionally). It is simply not technically possible to do otherwise in the Amiga MOD format...
Oh alright, thanks for the info.
...and on the other hand, the XM format does not have channel panning but only sample panning, hence everything is just panned to center by default unless you set a different default sample panning for each sample.
Do you mean sample panning or instrument panning?
If you mean MOD file rather than XM, you probably can't as long as Milky plays it in Amiga ProTracker mode.
Oh yeah sorry, that happens for MOD files only indeed. I was able to find the option and listening to them is much more enjoyable now!
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Do you mean sample panning or instrument panning?
I refer to it as sample panning because it's a per-sample setting in XM. In IT you have both sample panning (a property of the sample) and instrument panning (a property of the entire instrument).
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I refer to it as sample panning because it's a per-sample setting in XM.
Oh right, I was confused about this because in MilkyTracker (and from the screenshots I've seen FastTracker 2) you change the per-sample setting in the instrument panel, the sample you set this to is the one which is selected.
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Same mods? Different sizes..
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=171453
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=117607
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=54405
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Thanks, all merged into what is most likely the original file.
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So I asked Zalza (he is really nice!) about https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122862) and https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942).
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=153942) is the original, and the typo in the title is intended. ;-)
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Merged.
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found these:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=57287
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=106854
I think "sind_klf.mod" is the 'most-genuine' as the module name is the closest to what was originally released by the klf in 1993 (but I think both are identical?)
However, perhaps renaming the 'winning' file to
"Maelcum_-_Sindication_TM.mod"
is more in keeping with modarchive's requested file-naming format?
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Merged. For legacy modules, I generally prefer to keep the better-known legacy name as well.
PS: I saw that you recently uploaded a lot of old KLF stuff. I hope you're aware that AMF is just DMP's intermediate song format, i.e. not a tracker-specific format. If possible, it would be nice to have the original files (MOD/669/whatever) instead of AMF files, but I know this is not always possible.
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Thanks Saga Musix.
Re. AMF:
As far as I can tell the amf songs were originally released as amf?
These have been extracted from zips hosted at
ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/kosmic/1993/
and extracted amfs appear to have the correct release date in their file properties.
Additionally, the FILE_ID.DIZ states .amf as the release format; i.e.
~snip ASCII art~
PRODUCTIONS PRESENT
*
BEAT iT UP (.AMF)
MOMO - African Style
CREATED by Sinbad [KLF]
Copyright (C) 1993
apparently this particular song was created "using good old Modedit."
So I assume the artist will be (just about?) the only person who may have the original format - if they still have the files burnt somewhere on something still readable after 24 years... ;)
(sorry if this is off-topic)
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Here are some more duplicates:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=169058 (it)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=58693 (mtm)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=69090 (s3m)
they all sound the same quality to me.
(if my info is right) the original release-format from Kosmic was mtm though.
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So I assume the artist will be (just about?) the only person who may have the original format - if they still have the files burnt somewhere on something still readable after 24 years...
Yeah, that's why I said that I'm aware it's not always possible. But more often than not, e.g. when already-released songs get reused in demos or diskmags, the original file can be found as well.
(if my info is right) the original release-format from Kosmic was mtm though.
Given the release date, that seems like the most plausible format indeed.
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These appear to be duplicates?
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=85701
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=57501
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Merged, thanks for spotting!
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Malta (https://modarchive.org/module.php?66985) is a dupe of Actual Reality (https://modarchive.org/module.php?87263). Credits to Axxy for finding.
See thread (https://modarchive.org/forums/index.php?topic=4230.0) for more info.
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How about this one is my favorite module is "page" by Dalezy of the unconsciousness:
That was originally on December 1997.
The original one is:
https://modarchive.org/module.php?67414
But that module was duplicated:
https://modarchive.org/module.php?165362
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How about this one is my favorite module is "page" by Dalezy of the unconsciousness:
That was originally on December 1997.
Lol, and I had a third version of the same mod but mine was saved in Madtracker... weird..
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Also merged.
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"can u feel it?" Dupe:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=134964
Original:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=41051
Only change is "feal" to "feel" and the filename.
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Merged.
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Hello! I saw a duplicate. I don't know which is the difference. Not what I listened carefully. Dealing with the same thing (113.93 kb). Maybe it's just the title.
Keep an eye and look to remove one or the other.
Mindstorm.mod - ID.101.903 (Freshbrain)
Mindstrm.mod - ID.51.860 (Not assigned to anyone)
Greetings. :P
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Merged.
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I believe I found a duplicate. xmasdaze.mod, module ID 62701, appears to be a duplicate of chrdayz2.mod, module ID 37022, the hashes are different but the modules seem to be otherwise identical. Both are by an anonymous author.
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Yup, chrdayz2.mod contains an advertisment from Music Channel BBS in the sample texts so that one will have to go. Thanks for noticing!
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Did the owner of the BBS modify module texts to advertise it? I've seen a few modules that claim to have been downloaded from there floating around.
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Yes, typically those texts were not by the original artist, but of course that's not true in each and every case - for example the artist might advertise their "home" BBS through which they spread all their tunes. But with those Music Channel BBS texts you can be pretty sure they weren't added by the artist.
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https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=118442
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=56694
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=55442
Appear to be the same file
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=116659
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=116921
Play the same apparently but are not the same length (filesize-wise)
Also, several instances of the great "Klisje paa Klisje"
http://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=39533
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=163708
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=124227
One of them is in a format that's not playable nowadays ? (AHX)
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=66338
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=33803
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One of them is in a format that's not playable nowadays ? (AHX)
It's a remix / conversion, not a dupe. AHX is a chip music format not playable with the online player but it can be played e.g. with XMPlay's AHX plugin.
The other two files you have linked do not appear to be the same tune. Maybe you copied a wrong link?
All other stuff has been merged.
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https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=80168
and
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=74638
dupes of
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=58473
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Yup.. u got to merge the music! ;D
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random voice - monday
1: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=164407
2: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=67552
Checksums are different, but number of bytes and internal text is the same.
No real differences, here's a waveform diff (only small 1px dots/lines can be seen): https://ptpimg.me/ow1ssv.png
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dubmood & nadom - Chicago chiphop
1: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=42471
2: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=137212
#2 is a normalized version of #1 (louder sound)
If you normalize both tracks to -0.1db, differences are unnoticeable: https://ptpimg.me/uu90lo.png
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No real differences, here's a waveform diff (only small 1px dots/lines can be seen):
Some bytes in the hi-hat sample of the second version were blanked, probably due to a transmission error. I removed that version.
One version of the dubmood track was saved in MadTracker, so I would assume the other one to be the original. Also merged.
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Duplicate of dozey:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68004
found at:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=165295
First link doesn't have the "ripped" comment and is older.
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Merged.
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More dupes I've found a while back, haven't really heard which ones sounded better:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=67414
Dupe: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=165362
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=106287
Dupe: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68087
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=79334
Dupe: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=65380
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=36543
Dupe: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=182916
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All merged!
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Another fresh batch of dupes :police:
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=38085
Dupe: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=75461
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=106668
Dupes:
- https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68071
- https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=58155
https://modarchive.org/module.php?67986
Dupes with different names:
- https://modarchive.org/module.php?39322
- https://modarchive.org/module.php?77624
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68085
Dupe with different name:
- https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=144204
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All merged except for the first, which doesn't seem like a dupe to me but rather an unfinished / broken track using the same samples and name?
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Another duplicate. "94956", https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=47106, appears to be an uncredited and renamed version of "Kingdom Skies", https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=44452.
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Nicely spotted! They are now merged (and ModLand admins have been notified that they have the same dupe)
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I posted the song "new world order" in S3M format before finding the actual module (it was made in Composer 669:)
Original: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=184434 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=184434)
Duplicate: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=184310 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=184310)
Also, about this:
occ-san-geen_long.mod (hash 3a54fc9fd94687a8f7d6e77589949d99) has been screened before and was rejected for the following reason: TIDY-UP MERGED. occ-san-geen.mod already exists as OCC-SAN.MOD on the archive..
Uncle Tom himself made a remix of occ-san-geen called occ-san-geen.long, and it's a bit different from the original version (just like the other occ-san-geen in the screening queue,) and thus I don't really know why that module has been merged with occ-san.mod, but these weren't:
Nes-Tea: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=49984 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=49984)
Nes-Tea but it's a little different: https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=103971 (https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=103971)
The version that's in the archive isn't even the original occ-san-geen, it's a subtle remix that was featured in the game "Need for Madness."
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New World Order has been merged.
I don't really know why that module has been merged with occ-san.mod, but these weren't:
Because this is an ongoing process and I don't think anyone has reported them yet. And: All of this is a manual process, often it is not obvious at all which version is the "correct" one. Mistakes happen. From what I can see, OCC-SAN.MOD was the older copy of the two files in the archive (and not ripped from Need for Madness if that's what you implied; it's just likely that they downloaded this version for their game instead) and we decided to keep the older version.
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New World Order has been merged.
I don't really know why that module has been merged with occ-san.mod, but these weren't:
Because this is an ongoing process and I don't think anyone has reported them yet. And: All of this is a manual process, often it is not obvious at all which version is the "correct" one. Mistakes happen. From what I can see, OCC-SAN.MOD was the older copy of the two files in the archive (and not ripped from Need for Madness if that's what you implied; it's just likely that they downloaded this version for their game instead) and we decided to keep the older version.
Oh, I understand now.
But I still believe the version in the archive is the one from Need for Madness, since the original version I found on AMP doesn't use the toms on pattern 28 and also ends differently (you can still find pattern 41 in OCC-SAN.MOD,) while the version in NFM ends almost exactly like the "long" version:
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DFx-FrTPvqTmnLtnSKJiuLVfbm4ywkww (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1DFx-FrTPvqTmnLtnSKJiuLVfbm4ywkww)
But I guess it's not that important. Thanks for merging the two.
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Sure it might be the same version as used in the game - but that doesn't say anything about being the "right" or "wrong" version. It's often impossible to tell which version(s) were spread by the original author or were modified by others, and being on AMP doesn't necessarily make it any more legit than being on ModArchive or the other way around. Without having any clear hint on which version might be the "right" one, I won't replace or merge anything in this specific case.
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Some more dupes.
uralvol.mod and uravlga.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=59284 and https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=59292, are both duplicates of uralvolga_fine.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=88574. From looking at several sites, uralvolga_fine.mod appears to be the original, and is also attributed to Bruno in the guest artists.
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Indeed, in the two other versions the last sample is truncated. They have been merged.
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Another Bruno dupe, and possibly a rip?
Dupe: metalica.mod https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=51003.
Possible rip: controll.mod https://api.modarchive.org/downloads.php?moduleid=38966#controll.mod.
These are dupes of controller.mod https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=85647. controll.mod is oddly slowed down in various places, but appears to be otherwise identical to controller.mod.
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controll.mod was definitely imported into ST2 or ST3 and then re-saved as MOD, as you can see from the randomly added numbers in the sample names. Looking at the samples data, controller.mod appears to be the original as there is some weird sample start shifting going on in metalica.mod. I will keep controller.mod.
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Another dupe discovered while looking through the orchestral genre. All4rain.xm, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=170740, is a duplicate of all_for_the_rain.xm, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=134227. All4rain is likely an edited version that appeared in a TSRh keygen.
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Hard to tell because from what I can see amusic's other XMs were not made with DigiBooster, but maybe it's still the original.
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Actually all4rain seems to be the original. https://files.scene.org/get/parties/1997/gardening97/mmul/all4rain.zip. Did Digi Booster add that made with Digi Booster text to modules saved with it?
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Yes it does. Oh well, the files are now merged.
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Dupes: sonni.s3m and caero.s3m by Dune.
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=74709
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=71547
Context: I believe the module name is sonni, but it was used in the demo Caero by EMF. http://www.pouet.net/prod.php?which=2163
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Merged, thanks!
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Dupes: Spacesong by Jesper Kyd.
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=65925
https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68816
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Also merged.
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Another dupe.
BLUEBOX.MOD, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=34569, appears to be a duplicate of blueboxing.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=122430. Even though it's more recent, judging by the sample texts it seems that blueboxing.mod is the original.
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At the very least it doesn't have a rip notice, so I agree that we should keep that version.
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Dupe time again. Mystical_-_salcon.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=161916, appears to be a duplicate of salcon.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=55102. Only difference between these two appears to be the lack of a title in salcon.mod, which appears to have been the original from Theparty96.
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Given that the title isn't even complete (according to the sample text), I doubt it belongs there. I kept salcon.mod.
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Dupe time again. 08-kto_wrobi_arnolda.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=106290, appears to be a duplicate of 08-kto_wrobi_arnoldascorpi.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=116023. Judging by the sample texts, it seems that it would make sense to keep 08-kto_wrobi_arnolda.mod.
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I guess so too. Merged.
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Dupe. Pkunk2.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=95039, appears to be a duplicate of pkunk.mod, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=55320. It's unclear what the difference is between the two, they seem to play the same.
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pkunk2.mod seems like it could be the older version of the two, as the header kinda looks like it might have been saved with NoiseTracker (rather than ProTracker). That's the only obvious difference I could find so I kept that file.
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Indeed you are correct, I initially forgot to check the original file from Star Control II, but I recently did and pkunk2.mod has the same hash.
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Dupe. orch.s3m, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=68868, appears to be a duplicate of ORCH.S3M, https://modarchive.org/index.php?request=view_by_moduleid&query=49878. Only difference appears to be the lack of a title in ORCH.S3M and the uppercase file name, so ORCH.S3M is probably the original.
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Hard to tell really... since the title seems to be the only difference I stuck with the version that has a title.