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Sampling / Re: Project ST-01: The instruments behind the historic ST-01 sample disk revealed

« on: February 27, 2024, 02:32:56 »

This may sound crazy, but.....I found the true source of the Dynamic Drums "Snare4" sample, which was shortened to make the PopSnare2 that appears in ST-01. Let me explain. Last night, I was listening to INXS' 1983 song "Original Sin", and I was enjoying the song, but then I realized....the snare drum sounded kind-of familiar. I went back to the first few seconds of the song, where it has an isolated drumbeat. (I've included a .wav of this drumbeat in the .zip attached here.) I then played each snare hit in that beginning drumbeat at various frequencies, and most of them sounded pretty similar, but one of them stood out. When I played this specific snare hit an octave lower than what it was recorded at, it sounded exactly like Snare4 being played at a sample rate of 8363Hz. I isolated this one drum hit, loaded it into OpenMPT's sample editor, and then loaded Snare4 into OpenMPT. I then played both sounds at different notes, compared the waveforms, and....I had a match! The two sounds were exactly the same! Although Snare4 (and PopSnare2) have some clicking sounds, that's just due to how those samples were formatted (I think). Also, Snare4 has a tad bit more reverb, so my guess is that the people at New Wave Software (the company that made Dynamic Drums) probably had an alternate mix of the song laying around, or maybe they put it through some mild reverb. Other than that, the samples are a match. I found this especially exciting, because 16 years ago, in this very forum thread, somebody said it was a LinnDrum snare with reverb. Sounds good enough, except I've tried many LinnDrum snare sounds with all sorts of different reverbs, and no matter what I did, none of them sounded quite the same as Snare4. I always thought that I just wasn't using the right sounds or the right reverb, but....nope. It turns out that this person was just wrong. And I noticed that all the snare hits (in the INXS song) sounded slightly different from each other, and had natural variation.....or in other words, this wasn't a drum machine snare....this was an actual acoustic drum kit. Here, I have included a .zip file with .wavs of Linn snares (from the Gearspace forums, uploaded there by user "manfromthe80s"), the Dynamic Drums "Snare4" sample, and the INXS sounds I was talking about. I also have another .zip with those same Linn snares (with reverb), and another one with screenshots of the audio waveforms, but that exceeded the 2MB maximum attachment size here, so I had to upload them to Dropbox, and then put the links here.


https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/jf9lnr50ap52yut2whn2z/Snare4-Materials-snare-reverbs.zip?rlkey=v790g107rqkqv4o0lufmlkenk&dl=0 (Linn Snare Reverbs)

https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/pm2qk9ym0uumzs2i4cerj/Snare4-waveform-comparison.zip?rlkey=r9m5n2p98lby45gl9qza7j3te&dl=0 (Waveform Comparison)

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Sampling / Re: Project ST-01: The instruments behind the historic ST-01 sample disk revealed

« on: August 08, 2023, 03:57:54 »

I found the long version of "Shaker" again (and this is a much older instance of it.) I also found a long version of Claps1!!! So, I was checking out the samples on Unknown Stars' 1987 Aegis Sonix scores disk "Sonix Concert 1" (both because I'm interested in the samples people used at the time, and also, this disk has a lot of early S.L.L songs [from a year before his first tracker song got released; here is the link: https://demozoo.org/productions/223307/]), and I clicked on "Shake.instr" and noticed that the waveform looked familiar (yep, i can recognize some of these sounds by waveform now), so I played the sound and, just as I suspected, it's "Shaker". But, it's the long version again, and this disk is from 1987, the year Karsten Obarski's Ultimate Soundtracker was released, meaning that either this Sonix scores disk ripped these sounds almost immediately after TUS (the ultimate soundtracker) was released, or....maybe Karsten got the Shaker sound from this disk (or another Sonix disk that happened to have this exact same shaker sound), which seems especially likely because some of the other ST-01 sounds are from the Fairlight, and a lot of Sonix disks (and even Sonix's built-in instrument library) has a few Fairlight sounds, and Karsten Obarski has never mentioned having a Fairlight. Anyways, I'm going to check out some of these other sounds. R_Astley_tomdrum (heh, it's the rickroll tomdrum!), Sussudio_smalldrum sounds cool, Tambclaps sounds...wait a second...this sounds eerily familiar....ohhh my gosh! it's another ST-01 sound! This is Claps1...but..longer? Yeah, I feel like this kinda sort-of barely supports my theory that Karsten ripped some sounds from Sonix score disks. These are Yamaha RX- drum machine sounds, but I don't remember Karsten ever mentioning anywhere that he had any sort of Yamaha drum machine. So, these two samples most likely originated from this disk, or some other disk that also had these sounds. I have them attached here.

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Help Support Topics Archive / Re: What does the "no" option do when uploading a module?

« on: July 05, 2023, 19:07:32 »

thanks for the clarification!

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Help Support Topics Archive / What does the "no" option do when uploading a module?

« on: July 04, 2023, 21:10:19 »

I've seen mods uploaded with no account attached, and I'm trying to make sure the "no" option when uploading uploads the module without an account (if I'm uploading an old mod that isn't on the Mod Archive yet.) I have attached a jpeg that shows what button I'm talking about. (sorry about the test upload, i was trying to see if it uploaded the module without an attached account. silly me.) I read the help page, but I was kind-of confused.

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Sampling / Re: Project ST-01: The instruments behind the historic ST-01 sample disk revealed

« on: July 01, 2023, 06:51:43 »

I'm not 100% sure if I'm correct, but it seems very likely that Karsten might have gotten that Fairlight Marimba sound from a songs or scores disk for Aegis Sonix or Deluxe Music Construction Kit, as a lot of those music disks' instruments were sampled from stuff like Fairlight CMIs, and (probably) Yamaha DX-series synths (or at least FM synths in general), and he probably stumbled upon one of those disks, the disk probably happened to have that Marimba sound, and he might have decided to rip the sound from the disk and put it in ST-01. This seems especially likely to me, because a lot of early mods (especially ones from 1988-89) that had non ST-01 samples usually took the sounds from these Sonix or DMCS song disks, and the drum sounds were usually some of Dynamic Drums' other sounds (besides the ones ripped and used in ST-01). Ok, I know that Dynamic Drums detail wasn't entirely relevant here, but I'm not really sure where else to mention that. Anyways, back to the Marimba sound. I saw a module called "soundfx module" (yes, that's the title. isn't that creative?) and I downloaded it. I was looking through the samples and it had ST-01:Marimba. But something about this version of the sample was different. It sounded a bit...higher quality. I compared it to the normal version of ST-01:Marimba that shows up in most versions of ST-01, and..yep. This version of the sample was indeed higher quality. I then compared both samples again, but this time, at the lower notes, to see if this was just resampled. It wasn't resampled. It was actually at a higher sample rate! So, I think this is a higher quality version of ST-01:Marimba! But, this mod was made by a mod musician by the name of Fermix. I checked this person's demo history on demozoo, and the oldest song of theirs that is on demozoo is from December 1992. (a song called "ana".) But ST-01 is from 1987. So, did this person find the original Fairlight CMI sample set, or did they happen to have a different (possibly the original) version of ST-01 (or at least the Marimba sample)? I don't know! I have attached the two samples on this post.

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Tracking / How do I save a module file (.mod or something) in DOC Soundtracker V2.0?

« on: June 14, 2023, 08:09:01 »

When I try to click "save module", the cursor turns purple, suggesting that the program is expecting a text input, but I don't know what to do after this point, and I'm trying to save a module file (I have the same problem when trying to save a song file.) I'm using WinUAE version 4.10.1, and I do not have "Amiga Forever". I have attached a link to a YouTube video showing what I'm talking about (the mod export problem) at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CIusL5w2OQc.
Also, I looked in the DOC Soundtracker manual (the official one from DOC) and it mentioned a mod saving process that included a bunch of complicated assembler and coding stuff I don't understand.

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Sampling / Another sample pack from me.

« on: June 08, 2023, 21:21:14 »

This time, all the samples are RAW samples. (signed 8-bit PCM specifically.) I recorded most of them from my Yamaha PSR-E273 keyboard, although a few of them (hihats, crash cymbals, etc.) are from the official Korg M1 VSTi, and Falcosoft's MUNT VSTi. Enjoy!

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Sampling / Re: Project ST-01: The instruments behind the historic ST-01 sample disk revealed

« on: June 08, 2023, 02:43:27 »

Yeah, I noticed that about the Marimba sample. I also figured that out a few months ago, but forgot to mention it.

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Sampling / Re: Project ST-01: The instruments behind the historic ST-01 sample disk revealed

« on: May 15, 2023, 18:37:56 »

Good analysis! But, there is just ONE problem. You see, in 1987, a very obscure software company called New Wave Software released 2 programs for the Amiga, called Dynamic Drums, and Dynamic Studio. Dynamic Drums (and Studio) have a lot of drum samples, including one very interesting "Snare4" sample. "Snare4" is longer than PopSnare2, and very slightly longer than the "SNARE5" in Dr. Awesome's 1990 release "Moongazer". And, (as we all know,) a short version of Snare4, called "PopSnare2" was put into ST-01, a sample disk included with Karsten Obarski's 1987 "The Ultimate Soundtracker". Also, I checked the "Soundfiles" folder's file dates in Dynamic Drums program data disk (disk 2), using Crashdisk's ADF-Workshop tool (Thanks Crashdisk!) and I saw that all the samples (and most of the other files) have a file date of November 6th, 1986. So, this longer version of PopSnare2 actually originated from Dynamic Drums. Some parts of this whole Dynamic Drums thing were mentioned back in the start of this thread in 2008 (which was 15 years ago!).

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Tracking / How do I transpose a note in DOC Soundtracker or NoiseTracker?

« on: May 08, 2023, 22:17:58 »

I don't know how to transpose a note up or down in NoiseTracker without resampling the sample to a different note. I don't think you can even edit a sample within DOC SoundTracker, which predated NoiseTracker by a year. Thanks for answering my question!

Edit: I just found out you can switch octaves with the F1 and F2 keys.