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Author Topic: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!  (Read 9747 times)

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ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« on: September 11, 2008, 23:16:00 »

 :o  OK Now I'm now totally blown away - after finding the Kawai R100 sample set on the net and then very carefully playing the samples and compairing them with ST-01:Snare1 I guessed that it might be derived from R100's Bass Drum 2 - on loading the two samples into Sound Forge and then, as Dr Mabuse suggested, I transposed Snare1 down by about an octave, and then pushed the volume of Bass Drum 2 from the Kawai well beyond clipping and low pass filtered the hell out of it to my amazement came out a waveform almost identical to ST-01:Snare 1!!!

I wish I could show you guys just how similar the two waveforms are - if it wasn't for the fact that whatever dodgy sampler was used to make ST-01 then the two waveforms would be the same.  They are not identical because the sampler used on the Amiga clearly had a major problem with sampling near DC signals thus resulting in telltail DC offset drift with samples containing lots of very low frequencies.  This distortion is present in a very large amount of the ST-01 samples.

Many thanks for tha Dr_Mabuse - what's bothering me here is this is well beyond a guess - how did you know about this???  Were you involved in making the original sample sets?  ;)
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #1 on: September 12, 2008, 13:15:59 »

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I wish I could show you guys just how similar the two waveforms are
well... you can show us pictures of the waveforms or the wav files :)
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #2 on: September 12, 2008, 17:02:27 »

OK here are the two waveforms after processing:

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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #3 on: September 12, 2008, 19:33:53 »

are they like... invisible? ^^
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #4 on: September 12, 2008, 21:57:17 »

yo =)

no sry i wasnt involved creating these samples - you need only 2 working ears  :D
here is a MOD i make which uses the "ST-01:Snare1" and the "ST-02:BassDrum8" (last one is the sampled bassdrum from the Kawai R-50 / R-100)...


Look at the waveforms  ;D

st-01:snare1
http://img99.imageshack.us/my.php?image=98460730vv6.jpg

st-02:bassdrum8
http://img264.imageshack.us/my.php?image=90060745xz7.jpg


and here is a MOD with the 2 samples:

http://www.speedyshare.com/988149456.html
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #5 on: September 12, 2008, 22:14:07 »

and found another one:

the ST-01:Claps1 is from the Yamaha RX-21, you can get the samples here:

http://www.signature-tunes.de/uploads/media/Yamaha_RX-21.zip

note: the st-01 version has some reverb added to the claps  8)
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2008, 00:28:07 »

 :)  It had to be either RX21 or MR10....  I too have the sample set from the RX21 - and yes - there are Claps1.  Not sure why some of you can't see my Sound Forge waveforms - they are coming up on my screen when I view the posting.   Shame really because seeing the original 16 bit waveform along with the 8 bit one is quite interesting.

It's interesting looking at and listening carefully to the ST-01 samples as you start to notice that some have been processed, transposed, truncated etc ie. they are not just samples made directly off the original instruments - they have been played with.

The distortion on some of the percussion is horrendous compaired to the real thing but this has helped to make some of the drum samples sound very punchy.
 
I also downloaded the data disk from Dynamic Drums and sure enough there are several ST-01 perc samples - the only thing is that they are IDENTICAL to the ST-01 samples and so I now wonder who robbed these samples from which package??   Clearly Dynamic Drums were sampled so although this is interesting it still doesn't help to answer which studio gear was sampled in the first place.

Cheers,

Dan.  :)
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2008, 01:26:08 »

:)  It had to be either RX21 or MR10....  I too have the sample set from the RX21 - and yes - there are Claps1.  Not sure why some of you can't see my Sound Forge waveforms - they are coming up on my screen when I view the posting.   Shame really because seeing the original 16 bit waveform along with the 8 bit one is quite interesting.
i suppose you uploaded them as an attachment. i will tell m0d about this, looks to me like a problem with the rights management.
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2008, 01:52:38 »

???

guys, whats now wrong with the rights management ???
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Re: ST-01: Snare1 source confirmed thanks to Dr_Mabuse!!
« Reply #9 on: September 13, 2008, 02:38:26 »

Dunno, I can see them fine. ???
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