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« on: November 11, 2006, 15:21:41 »



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Yay! Time for another compo!
This time only for trackers (yes Renoise and Madtrackers too) :P

The thing about this compo is that no 4/4 or square-ish time signatures are allowed. The deal is to make something very creative from a rhythmical point of view. But not only. The points of judgement will be Creativity, Originality, and another secret point which you will find out after the deadline As secret as the second judge who will cast his wisdom upon your tracks. I'll be the other judge.

Deadline: 1st of December, 2006

Info, rules, and such - here:
http://cdn.untergrund.net/timesignature
Good Luck!
Questions? fire away

-cdnalsi

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« Reply #1 on: November 12, 2006, 00:13:23 »

Hello, a new compo sounds cool. :D

This would be my first try to make a tune for an compo. :)

One question is needed by me on what does mean no square-ish time signatures. Sorry i am not long inside with tracking. Or, what speed values are allowed (like inside milkytracker/xm),
because there a two values one is bpm another is speed. Im tracking usually on them with 125 bpm/6 speed.

So if I know to set the beat-values correcly right for the compo, i can beginn to make a try for it ;)

Thank you for support,

Greetings Denis :)
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« Reply #2 on: November 12, 2006, 12:39:02 »

Hi Dennis.

It's not about the BPM or the Speed of the track. It's about how many rows you have in a pattern.

For example. if you have a 64 row pattern, and you highlight every 8 rows, you'll have an 8 beat pattern. Which could mean that you have two 4/4 measures in the pattern. This is not allowed.

What you can do is use more or less rows in the patterns. If you use 56 rows, (and highlight every 8), you'll have a 7 beat pattern, or a 7/4. This is allowed. You imagine there are lots of combinations you can use to create odd time signatures.

I don't know if there are any tutorials of this kind, but I'm going to look it up.

Cheers!
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« Reply #3 on: November 12, 2006, 15:26:22 »

Hello, Thank you very much for answer :)

Now im experimenting a little bit, I've set the pattern count to 0x37(hex) (0...56) so I've got a 7 beat.

Greetings, Denis
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« Reply #4 on: November 13, 2006, 10:10:34 »

Hey, sounds like fun. But should not 3/4 rythms also be disallowed? It's the second most common beat and used in genres like Waltz and similiar.
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« Reply #5 on: November 13, 2006, 10:37:51 »

err.. eagle,

then 6/8 and 3/8 should also be disallowed. and 5/8 and 7/8 too, because they're the most common odd time signatures. (for example John Miles' Music)
but this sounds like a load of fun and a great challenge! I think I'm in!

I was thinking about doing a 7/8 Irish reel, but it might get a little more psychadelic. I also do not have Bodhran samples.  :???:

or maybe a 6/8  7/8  beat shift! ever heard about 13/16 beat? It's 3/4 plus 1 extra 16th note. I'm practicing on it now! :D
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« Reply #6 on: November 13, 2006, 18:55:38 »

You can do some funky stuff on 3/4 which is also considered an odd time signature..

Great to hear more people are interested!
Remember the deadline: 1st Dec. 2006 :)

Cheers!

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« Reply #7 on: November 14, 2006, 08:42:27 »

Hehe, I think I'll try an 13/4 beat. ;)

Although I'm rather busy at the moment making tracks for NoiseTrax UF, so I may not be able to get started before the deadline, so my participation may be on the side and not really part of the actual contest. Well, we'll see about that.
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« Reply #8 on: November 14, 2006, 17:17:50 »

some tutorial for explain time signatures would be nice...

first about explaining what means 4/4.. what is a beat.. what is a  tick.. well there are many things for understand.

Anyway for newbies would be cool if someone create a  list of patterns lenghts and where you place the highlight rowns for create certain time signatures
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2006, 06:13:39 »

Kmuland:

The wikipedia article on time signatures has some good general info on time signatures...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_signature

If I understand correctly, trackers have an internal clock that cuts time into units called ticks, and then process one line of your tune every n ticks of the clock. So if you track a tune at 8 ticks per line and then play it back at 4 ticks per line, it will play twice as fast. 2 ticks per line will play twice again as fast, etc. This setting affects the way some effects work.

As for row highlighting, I'll do better than a list- you can have a formula that tells you how long to make your patterns and what to highlight. Let's say you want to use the n/m time signature and track with q measures per pattern, and you want to divide each beat into p parts. Then you need to make your patterns n*p*q rows long, with your major highlight every n*p rows and minor highlight every p rows. (other people feel free to check this...)

Basically western pop music has been bound to the 4/4 time signature since, well, basically forever. The purpose of this compo is to get us thinking outside that restriction. :)

I'll try to get something together; this will be my first compo (if I finish something, that is...)

EDIT- my math was off
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